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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2008, 06:54:15 AM »
I should have clarified, I'm not disagreeing with Mr Russell, I'm saying the Ausmini discussion is wrong.

KMX may be a well-known brand repackaged, but KMX is definitely not Castrol Edge.  I work for BP/Castrol and I spoke to the lubes guys downstairs who schedule production and distribution. 

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Graham told me a while ago that KMX was made by Shell.
It does look and smell a bit like the old Shell Super..
Whatever, I use it, it holds viscosity when hot MUCH better than GTX. After a hot freeway run (no cooler) I still have 70psi. Same as with Edge Sport 25W/50.
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2011, 04:16:01 PM »
Hi everyone,
Sorry to revive an old thread but was getting some Penrite oil and thought I'd check the lube guide on the Penrite web site and they now recomend the HPR 15 10w60 for our engines?
http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/

What do you all think?
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2011, 04:38:38 PM »
Hi HP...
I'm still a noob at all this...and know even less about oil.
but isnt the low number stand for the thickness of the oil when cold
and the high number stand for the thickness of the oil when hot

If I'm wrong, my whole post is useless.
But maybe the 10w is ok aussie wide, but the 60 depends on where you live...
Am I thinking wrong ?


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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2011, 06:57:49 PM »
Hi,

I did a couple of searches on Moke from that link and found two different recommendations, and neither were for 10/60

Pre -1970  came up with Classic Light

Post 1970 came up with HPR 30

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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2011, 07:25:50 PM »
I have been using Classic Light of late and so far, I'm very happy with it.

In days gone by, I was using BP Corse Plus, but this is no longer made. Then I went to Shell Super 25W-50 and found it OK, but I was never really that happy with it.
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 07:56:59 PM »
I still work for BP who owns Castrol, but I put HPR30 in at my last oil change.  So far, so good.  I lament the day they discontinued Corse Plus.  Edge Sport may be as good, but the price is silly. 
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2011, 08:03:06 PM »
Not a Noob Mav, basically I think thats how it works also.
Sorry terry, I was in a hurry and tried typing with 2 fingers ::)
Its actually 15w 60. Semi synthetic.
Ive been using Shell as well Spider, was a Mobil user for a long time, but thought I'd give the penrite a go cause so many on here as well as Boydy have used it and recommend it.

So I used the search and typed in "MINI" ( Coff, coff)

LEYLAND
Mini Series (1973-1979)

Crankcase
HPR 15
HPR15001, HPR15005, HPR15010, HPR15020, HPR15060, HPR15205
Full synthetic engine oil formulated primarily for use in "older" engines that require SAE 15W-50 or 20W-50 grades such as pre 1997 Australian family cars. HPR 15 may be used in many applications where SIN 15W-50 and SIN 10W-70 were recommended.
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4, M2C 153E, Opel B0401013
 
So now I type in MOKE and get:

Commercial Vehicles - Light/Medium & 4WD
LEYLAND-BMC
Mini-Moke, BMC Moke, Leyland Moke (1976-1983)

Crankcase
HPR 30
HPR30001, HPR30005, HPR30020, HPR30060, HPR30205
Premium mineral oil formulated for use in conventional engines operating under a high load environment. It provides better oil pressure and consumption control and is recommended where SAE 20W-50 oils were originally recommended. Not recommended for four stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.
Key Specifications: API SM/CF, ACEA A3/B3, M2C 153G
 
Service Refill Capacity: 4.2 Litres

HMMMMMMMMMMM
Obviously Mini and Mokes must be different somehow? Maybe the diffs, so lets talk diff ratios shall we? Or No!
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2011, 08:54:45 PM »
Edge Sport may be as good, but the price is silly.

I looked at this stuff after reading another thread recently where you said the same thing bnicho. Thinking to myself that different people have different ideas of what's a silly price, I thought I'd check it out for myself.

$82.50 for 5L and you have my full agreement Brett  :o Silly is putting it mildly. I might consider it a worthwhile investment in my Lambourghini, or possibly Ian's highly modified A series, but can't see how a basic engine that was brought into production in the 1950's (subject to correction  ;) ) could possibly need anything like that.

Also, I thought the idea was to use a non-synthetic oil? This sort of stuff is 100% synthetic  ???

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2011, 09:17:02 PM »
^ the other Castrol  'Edge' oils are synthetic - the 20W-50 Sport is still good ol Mineral.

Just for the topic there is a Valvoline "Classic" 20W-50 oil out now that is SG rated.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2011, 09:31:07 PM »
The way I see it, modern oils are much better than what was originally specified for Minis in the early sixties, so pretty much any multigrade will be fine. I suspect that unless you have a really high performance engine or are doing massive mileage you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an expensive oil and a cheap one. You're better off using a cheap oil that costs half as much and replacing it twice as often.

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2011, 09:39:33 PM »
You really should run a decent oil with some bulk (viscosity) to it. Not so much for the engine, but for the gearbox and diff. Most oils on the shelves these days are fine for the engine, it will cope OK, but the gearbox really wants a 70 or 90 weight oil and without half the aditives that are needed for an engine. For Mokes, it is a fine balancing act.

Regardless of what oil you may use, changing it often, as Tim has suggested, is a very good policy. Engine Oils, I am told, do go off not only by kms travelled, but also with time (bnicho, are you able to confirm?).
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2011, 06:04:21 PM »
Regardless of what oil you may use, changing it often, as Tim has suggested, is a very good policy. Engine Oils, I am told, do go off not only by kms travelled, but also with time (bnicho, are you able to confirm?).
Well, I work in IT, so I'm no expert.  But the experts tell meals these days are more tolerant of time in the engine before they go off.  This has come about from the car manufacturers wanting to specify longer service intervals.  Most new cars have 15,000km or 12 month service intervals now.  The bad side of that is that more additives are required to keep it stable that long.  It's those additives which are no good for our gearboxes.
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2011, 12:12:14 PM »
Valvoline XLD Premium 20w50 at around $20.00 for 5 litres and change every 1000-2000kms cant go wrong.
Or can you????
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Re: Engine oil
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2011, 03:11:24 PM »
Valvoline XLD Premium 20w50 at around $20.00 for 5 litres and change every 1000-2000kms cant go wrong.
Or can you????

XLD "Classic" 20W 50. API rating of SG which is better.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2011, 03:48:10 PM »
Valvoline XLD Premium 20w50 at around $20.00 for 5 litres and change every 1000-2000kms cant go wrong.
Or can you????

Pete, why would you change it so ofter, its not a high power race car.
If you do it once max. twice a year, would be fine...


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