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« on: April 15, 2007, 07:40:54 PM »
Is it possible to deduce the engine capacity from the engine number?
My number is 99H860AJH1451
The capacity is shown as 998.0 on the Certificate of Registration.
Since the compliance plate says the car is a Californian, I thought the capacity would be greater than that.
Perhaps the engine is a replacement. The car came from Queensland in 1994, and I know nothing about it. Over the next couple of months I am destined to find out a lot more, I am sure. Much of it via this forum.

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2007, 08:00:47 PM »
99H/ anything is a 998cc, although these days many have had a 1098 crank fitted during rebuild, giving an extra 100+ cc.
I have 3 998s here on the floor that have had this treatment previously.
<edit> the Californian was a dress-up kit, not all were 1275s I believe.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2007, 11:26:55 AM »
tt, have a look in the moke register and see where your body numbers fall (I'm guessing its a '77 998 Californian like mine).

http://moke.com.au/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=55

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2007, 12:11:32 PM »
The plate actually says 12/77

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2007, 02:55:16 PM »
Yep, thought so, I think that '77 was the only year they put "Californian" on the plate. Contrary to popular belief not all Californians are galvanised 1275s with disk brakes, unfortunately. Not all Californians are even Californians but if the factory weren't fussy about that why should we be?

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2007, 05:31:59 PM »
When I win Lotto and decide to enlarge my engine, what are my options? I imagine the existing block can be bored out a bit, but what exactly is a 1750 engine? Is it similar externally to my little 998cc engine? Could one be lifted out and the other lowered in with little modification? In other words, has the bigger engine the same external dimensions as the smaller one? Is there a publication (printed or online) that would enlighten me?
Edit:  Long-term dream.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2007, 05:37:59 PM »
tt92,

sounds like you have a problem stopping not going. :-)

The 1750 is a totally different block all together, B or E series , and although I the smaller capacity 1500 in a Moke it is not something I would recommend to anyone, especially not as a quick fit.

The best you can do with your lotto Money would be a 1275 bored out to 13 something and then a supercharger. For those at the muster who remember the Moke with the NOS kit might also suggest one of them.

Should be able to run into parked cars at a much greater speed with all that under the bonnet.

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2007, 05:45:03 PM »
With a bit of dough a 1310 fitted with a BMW twin cam motorbike head is my idea of a decent engine. Of course there's any number of japanese engines that can be forced into the hole, with various amounts of difficulty.

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 07:50:04 PM »
Oh dear! Misprint! Misprint! I meant 1250, not 1750.

Could I ask the question again, with all my feet out of my mouth.

When I win Lotto and decide to enlarge my engine, what are my options? I imagine the existing block can be bored out a bit, but what exactly is a 1250 engine? Is it similar externally to my little 998cc engine? Could one be lifted out and the other lowered in with little modification? In other words, has the bigger engine the same external dimensions as the smaller one? Is there a publication (printed or online) that would enlighten me?
Edit: Long-term dream.
I don't want to hoon along the highway at suicidal speeds. I would like the extra power to crawl around the bush a bit, possibly towing a little trailer.
Of course, first I have to buy the lotto ticket.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 07:59:15 PM »
You can bore your 998 out up to to +.100" now, Russell Engineering has pistons that big. 1074cc.
Can also fit a 1098 crank in, the combo then gives you 1180cc.
You could bore further to 68mm, (1220cc) but pistons (Imp etc) are rare and it's not worth the hassle.
A 1275 motor is best if you want more, these can be bored easily up to 1380cc or stroked for even more.
You would probably want disc brakes if going that far... 8)

A 1275 motor is basically the same size externally except it's 10mm taller, but the head, primary gear and various other parts are different. But it's an easy swap.
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Pilot of Mini HaHa- 1360 wasMatic, had 86.6HP ATW, no hairdryer either...
New 1412 stroker, 114HP & 113lb/ft torque on Graham Russell's engine dyno, now in car. mucho torque...

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 08:22:23 PM »
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A 1275 motor is best if you want more, these can be bored easily up to 1380cc or stroked for even more...


1275 to 1380 is 73.5mm bores, then you can go to 74mm in the right block and at a pinch you can get to 74.7mm (not sure of actural size, somewhere around this) before you even need to look at stroking, but be warned, care is needed with these engines or the $$$ you put in will quickly be wasted.

I know with care a 1380 can last, so far, 12-1/2years and over 250,000k's (but it is showing it's age).
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 08:27:55 PM »
Thank you doctor.
I am not looking to tweak every little extra bit from an engine. As I said, if it is a bolt off, bolt on proposition, then a stock 1250 would be lotto money well spent.
First, the brakes. That is priority starting first thing tomorrow.

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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 08:40:36 PM »
I think you mean 1275. There was no stock 1250. Getting hold of one is going to cost you.

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 09:05:55 PM »
Quote from: "Tim"
I think you mean 1275. There was no stock 1250. Getting hold of one is going to cost you.

Tim

Keep your eyes open, there are still bargains about. Often a bare crank, a block with caps, or a 1275 head, can be got cheap.
I got a Morris 1100S one for $300 with gearbox, minus head. Yes it was seized from standing, but nothing a rebore won't fix. After 30 years, it's still got stock bore and a mint condition std size crank. 8)
I'm keeping it for if/when I blow the 1360 up. :wink:
Kevin G
Hills District, Sydney, NSW

Pilot of Mini HaHa- 1360 wasMatic, had 86.6HP ATW, no hairdryer either...
New 1412 stroker, 114HP & 113lb/ft torque on Graham Russell's engine dyno, now in car. mucho torque...

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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 09:19:33 PM »
Quote from: "Tim"
I think you mean 1275. There was no stock 1250. Getting hold of one is going to cost you.

Tim


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