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The Mumblings of Mazy....
« on: May 17, 2012, 05:58:21 PM »
I had decided recently that it wasn't too late to start a thread and share the ongoings re Mazy.

When I made this decision I was going to start with some 'good' news, but... 'it was not to be'..... Instead, I have to firstly report on the 2nd failure in as many years of the top radiator bracket. First pic shows the A+ engine and second one shows the bracket broken this time in 2 places:





Could anyone hazard a guess as to why this might be happening? The metal it's made of is fairly thin, but surely something must be amiss?? Is it a common failure? I was wondering if anyone has perhaps made their own 'stronger' bracket? Or alternatively would it be silly to put 2 of the same type on at once?

While I'm grounded Alan is busy filling the engine bay with even more hoses  :o   in order to finally hook up the water heated manifold as it should be.

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 07:04:53 PM »
Bit of a bugger that, but not at all uncommon.

It's an easy fix.

Get the radiator bracket for the 1275 rear facing thermostat housing. I'm sure MD will have a pic. You'll also need 2 spacers;- The front shock-absorbers have a suitable spacer in the lower end, like the one here http://www.minisport.com.au/prod1361.htm  And you'll need longer bolts to get it all together, from memory, they need to be 2" long.

Take the 2 bolts out of the thermostat housing and sit the spacer in there. The rear facing should sit on those spacers, might need a little bend, then bolt it all up with your new longer bolts. I grease these bolts so they don't get frozen with corrosion from the thermostat housing.

Nice clean engine bay by the way and I think you missed a bit  ;D
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 08:39:33 PM »
Quote
I'm sure MD will have a pic.

Of course..... ;)





The bolts on these are 2 1/2" long, but depending on the spacer you may need longer ones.

Personally I think the standard bracket looks neater, but they do have a habit of breaking. :( They have a bit too much cut out around the bolts IMO, creating a weak point. A few old ones I have here have a large flat washer brazed on to strengthen them a bit, but that can look a bit dodgey if it's not done neatly.

These days I just make my own from 2mm zincanneal, and haven't had one break........... yet. ;)




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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 08:58:24 PM »
Nice!

Thanks MD.

I've made a few too and put a bit extra around the outside of the holes. I think I use 2.5 or 3 mm material. Getting the 2 bends in them is not easy to get right!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 09:00:37 PM by spider »
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 10:03:49 PM »
Good on ya mazy for starting the thread.
I welded a couple of large OD washers to mine and that has worked well, I also replace the rubber washer thingys in the holes for the radiator fairly often, It would be the constant vibrations that cause them to fail.
You may notice your rubbers are a little pass their best..
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 10:04:47 PM »
G'day Mazy,
                  Thats a bit of a bummer breaking that.
As the others have said it is common. I've had to
weld a couple myself. I have some of those spacers
if Alan needs them. I know there isn't much meat
around the bolt holes but I'm not sure why they
break. The Radiator top and bottom brackets are
bolted through rubber grommets to absorb some
of the vibration. But the radiator as a unit is still
connected to the engine and should move with it
even if there is a bit of movement in the steady
arm bushes.
Maybe some one else might know why they fatigue
and crack there?


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« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 10:08:59 PM by Biggles »

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 10:58:01 AM »
Thanks all for your replies and input.

Thanks Spider and MD for the pics ..... after seeing that I've gone out to the garage and lo and behold we have one of those!:



It turns out we were sent that when one of the previous brackets failed.. but we were expecting to receive one the same as what had broken. We thought at the time that it was just totally the wrong type, that we couldn't use it, and so threw it into a drawer and ordered again :-[

I'm afraid that I have to agree that the 'standard' one must look neater. Alan spoke to Lindsay at Minis Plus this morning and what we're going to do is buy 2 of the flimsy ones and cut and weld a section of one onto the other for extra strength. It's just an alternative to welding washers that he wanted to experiment with first. I'll post pics when it's done. Lindsay said he may in the future look to having thicker ones made and explained it all in terms of harmonic balancing and the biggest vibrations being caused at 4000rpm....... If the new super duper thicker one fails we'll use the other one.

Thanks PP for your suggestion re the grommets, we'll replace them and have ordered extras. And thanks Biggles for your input and the offer of the spacers which hopefully we won't need..

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 01:09:38 PM »






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while we are mumbling about your moke Mazy I noticed you have an unusal
brake setup with a power booster, is that from a Rover mini?
How is it hooked uo to the brake pedal, looks like a good system but
a bit hard to check the timing.
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 02:47:07 PM »
I noticed you have an unusal
brake setup with a power booster, is that from a Rover mini?
How is it hooked uo to the brake pedal, looks like a good system but
a bit hard to check the timing.

It does look to be one from a Rover Mini. They don't quite fit straight in to a Moke as the it is brackets off the fire all and these are at different angles between a Mini and a Moke. The connect to the pedal in much the same was as a normal master cylinder does. I've got a complete set up somewhere in a box. I'll post up a pic when I can find it.

The engine too looks A+. You check the timing on them at the other end  ;)
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 03:15:47 PM »
Moe, as Spider has confirmed the brake booster is one from a Rover Mini.
We also had to change the brake pedal to that from a Rover Mini because the throw of the pedal needed to be longer.
As for the bracket, as Spider said,  the angle of the dangle was different so we had to cut and reweld the bracket in order to secure it to the firewall.
And also as Spider mentioned, the timing is checked at the other end and not through the clutch housing.

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 05:23:26 PM »
Hi,

The rubber thingys in the hole that PP mentions can actually be found in some auto shop and electrical outlets or even bunnings and clarke rubber. They are sold in blister packs of 5 or 6 as electrical grommets.

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 05:35:25 PM »
Mazy, apologies for jumping in like I did.

I've been hanging in the naughty part of the web since  :-[
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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2012, 06:11:53 PM »
No worries Spider....

    "You beat me to the Post!"   ::) ::)

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2012, 08:13:39 PM »
I've been hanging in the naughty part of the web since  :-[

Where's that, Ausmini? :)

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Re: The Mumblings of Mazy....
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2012, 08:35:22 PM »
Where's that, Ausmini? :)

Terry

Ausnini! You would have to be joking! I thought one would only go there to die the death from a stoning  ::)

Actually in the workshop - on my moke for a change!
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